Gamer & Artist, focusing mostly on artist at the moment.
i didn’t like GT3, GT4 was phenomenal.
i’m expecting a lot from 6
I know there are limits, but is it so much to ask that a news site do more? I’m asking they give developers justice in what they wanted to achieve like they actually care about the game. Give more effort than just labeling the bad, anyone can just label the bad.
I mean we’re asking improvement from what game developers love doing to the point of being aggressive about it.
But no ones asking for improvement of how these sites treat developers.
They often use “Its just an opinion” as a defence mechanism for criticisms of say, a bad review. While game developers have no right to do the same?
What if they went around saying “its just art”.
Both parties clearly need improvement, i’m not arguing against that. But i’m not supporting how a lot of these sites handle the matter.
I never said anything about immunity, i said they should be more supportive and not aggressive.
I’ve given enough critique to know what generates a good response, what leads to improvement.
RPS was just attacking and accusing him over something he wasn’t ready to talk about. He did that in an interview not a single article, attacking one developer to represent his entire team. I can’t support that. Are we supposed to be attacking developers like celebrities?
Are developers now supposed to go into interviews cautiously in fear of being attacked about something they have no place to represent?
The issue of Stanley Parable was far more tame. No body jumped out at him calling him a racist. The people emailed him privately and calmly. Not like this.
There’s moments when an artist is just being bad, and when they’re being lazy (often in comic books). But when people label good work with this its very annoying. Some people are far to concerned about “realism” than if the artist was just trying to get an interesting pose. I know there are some BAD examples of doing this but to go around labeling everything is excessive.
You already outlined the intent of every male artist out there. I know many male artist that make work just like this, is the intent the same?
Fine i’ll give you that last one. But going around shouting it from the rooftops still isn’t appealing.
Even Robert Edgert gives some manner of solution…
“Bill Cosby is not one of the great actors of our time, but on TV he delivers a serviceable performance week after week, and can rise to a dramatic occasion. That’s why his performance in this movie is so surprising. He overacts in the most unconvincing way, allowing his face to mime every thought and emotion. He blubbers and pleads and complains at an intensity that’s way over the top, so that the more restrained work by the other actors seems like a form of criticism. Is he such a star that his performances are considered above criticism? Was there nobody on the set – not even Poitier – to help him find the right note?”
^Its easy to take a means of improvement from that other than just “stop being bad”. To out line this…He’s a good actor, but his performance was bad, why didn’t anyone help him?
Its a critical review yes, but not without a measure of support.
He didn’t just sit at a desk and wrote “bill cosby you’re such a bad actor” and leave it at that. Clearly he hated the movie, and outlined why and a little of where he thought it went wrong.
And yes, peoples feelings do matter. If you think someone needs a kick thats fine, but doing it all the time is just abusive no matter how you look at it.
Well this happened to me, no idea whats up…
sigh good night.
I think that applies to most fighting game characters, their back drops aren’t often that fleshed out anyway. You have to look pretty closely cause you don’t see them much in social settings.
But Mai has a good deal more then just cleavage going on and seeing past that takes maturity. There’s an air of confidence and experience, the all red outfit represents fire, willpower, dominance, passion, energy. And while that consumes most of her character the white outline might symbolize she’s maintained some of her light or purity.
There’s a lot you could take from her character beyond that, and that’s only a start.
Looking at what her character is based off of (kunoichi) her appearance makes even more sense. The red represents sexual dominance as her appearance is intended to serve as a distraction to her enemies.
And thats just my take, i honestly never looked too much before.
That’s not how its supposed to be done, there’s a critique format that should be followed even loosely.
Especially when calling for improvement.
It is a critics job to outline a possible means of improvement, even a small one. Otherwise what was the point of saying it?
If they’re willing to point out a problem why shouldn’t they be responsible for giving a potential solution?
They’re as much a part of the industry as the developers themselves.
They’re doing more damage then good an they should know that. They’re just causing confusion and unnecessary aggression.
proper design is an extremely vague term.
For a lot of people that is proper design.
But how does saying “stop being childish”, “stop being sexist”, “stop being glitchy”, “stop being violent”, help anyone?
If they’re vocal enough to say it, they should provide the solution.
Its not about being ignorant of it, its about giving them something to build on. Being a part of the solution.
They have the time an resources, why can’t they put out more of an effort?
Heh that sounds like a hell of a game.
(hur hur hur)
I understand that, but for a news site to consistently keep it negative is…excessive?
Polygon supports games, RPS supports games, and for someone you support, when they do something wrong you usually handle it properly.
These sites need to set an example, these artists are people they read this stuff.
I wouldn’t criticize another artists work like that, i’d feel horrible.
I’ve done enough critiques of peoples works to know what grantees a good response from them.
“this” is not how you do that, this just makes things worse.
i once made an article about something i saw online once from two female artists. this might help give some perspective from one side.
But you don’t outline the negative without a means of improvement.
There’s nothing here that’s constructive just negative. I consider it bullying because of this.
Its not how a normal situation should go down, walking up to a person and just saying all the bad thing they’re doing. How are they supposed to build on that?
There’s no mention of the good, just the bad with nothing to do about it other than “Stop”.
Having RPS hackle a developer like that is wrong, it’s not what they deserve.
reading that again i guess its getting a bit late >_>
People who talk about Escher girls usually have no understanding of “sense of motion” and most cases aren’t unrealistic in the first place.
And i’m inclined to believe you wouldn’t be so understanding if the artist was male. Obviously the artist has an infatuation with young girls with nice boobs. Or am I going too far there?
As for putting words in your mouth wouldn’t you say you did the same thing to male artist? Art is a form of voice after all…
Then even you would understand constructive criticism is proper criticism.
Many people are already sensitive about their work, and to have some website just come at them like that is appalling.
What about what RPS has done is constructive and not bullying?
Why should polygon defend their actions?
What if it was your work? Wouldn’t that make you angry to have people saying things like this while giving you nothing back but insults?
Saying mean things and giving nothing in return is bullying yes.
You’re just pushing your opinion of people whose case you’ve made no effort to express.
That’s remarkably dismissive sir.
So obviously any woman drawing stuff like that, is obviously a woman trapped in a mans world and she maintain no love for her own work DESPITE HER ENTIRE GALLERY CONSISTING OF IT
And that’s just one artist, there’s tons of them who make both personal and professional work.
These people clearly adore their work.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that some women are comfortable with their sexuality to the point where they ENJOY making work like this?
Yes when done properly and not like a bully.
You’re imposing your idea of these artists you never tried to understand?
And apparently the female artists out there that draw the EXACT same thing have the same intent?
Is that the surface image or does the artist himself say that?
Because before then you have no idea.
First there’s context and time period, among other things. Is the work offensive cause it intends to be or is it doing something different. There isn’t an instance where i would take your example at face value.
Second whats good about the work? This can be anything, try to find the good. Its always there, its always important.
Then out line the bad. It was offensive material at first, then say that. The work appears sexist.
Then provide means of improvement, but this depends on context. There aren’t many scenarios that someone releases a work that is DEFINITELY intended to offend someone. So why not outline how the work could give its possible message in a less demeaning manner? At the end of the day it is only your assessment, you have no right to impose your meaning of the work.
Doing what you suggested far more gross for not giving the work the time of day to ACTUALLY think about what you’re seeing and why.
Its no worse than the news media looking at video games and seeing nothing but gross offensive violence. when if they played the game and gave it the time of day to understand it they might not feel so strongly.
It makes no sense to go up on the pedestal that is this site and accuse someones work of a meaning you never tried to understand in the first place.
Doing so is an offence to everyone who worked on it. You’re not doing anyone any favors but yourself and your own presumptions.