See, nobody cares…
It’s a bit weird when America is the least puritanical country in it’s censoring. Go U.S.A.?
I guess I kind of understand the swastika thing in Germany at least. Germans can’t ever be seen as supporting or tolerating Nazism and since Germans fundamentally lack a sense of humor (says the half-German guy), they can’t even allow it when it’s being played for laughs or parody. But seriously, what the fuck is up Australia’s ass (other than an alien probe, obviously)?
It’s a UNIX system. I know this…
I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph, which is why, as a gamer, I have absolutely no problem with and gladly welcome more diversity in game development. Diversity is the polar opposite of what I loathe most about gaming today: stagnation. If more women or more voices from minority races and creeds changes that, I am all for it. I don’t say that altruistically, I say that selfishly. I want more and better games. The gender or race of who can provide that, in the end, is of no consequence to me.
Elaborate is good. Discussion is good. Sound bytes and talking points are the enemy. Trying to take a complex subject and make it a simple “ITTT” scenario does discourse of any kind a disservice. Saying, for instance, “If there is a dearth of women in gaming development, it is because of gender bias” immediately discounts all other possible causes for the situation at hand and eventually will always devolve the argument to “If you don’t agree, you’re sexist” on one side and “Shut up and get back in the kitchen!” on the other. I’d rather see a complex argument for what it is and elevate the conversation.
Agree to disagree I guess. I think by using a leading headline like “How Smarter Schools Can Help Break the Game Development Boys Club” the author is exactly suggesting it’s some kind of concerted effort to keep women out.
Either way, words have meaning. Just because everyone misuses the word “literally” does not literally mean the word now means “figuratively”, no matter what Merriam-Webster says. “Boys Club” or “Old Boys Club” has a specific meaning and using it in the title makes a specific accusation. You wouldn’t write an article called “How Smarter Schools Can Help Break The Development Jim Crow” without realizing you are, with just the title, making a serious accusation, unless you are completely oblivious to what “Jim Crow” means.
I’m glad in the end it worked out for you. Truly. I have nothing against women in gaming, development or otherwise. I just get irritated by what I consider to be ignorant arguments. Mind you, when I say ignorant, I don’t mean that as an insult or am I even applying that to you specifically in this argument (I’m not). I truly mean ignorant, as in “lacking knowledge”. I don’t care for it in politics and I don’t care for it in gaming media. All the so called evidence I see in this article and the comments section as to why more women aren’t in game development are about as anecdotal and conjectural as you can get.
A gender inequality is not necessarily symptomatic of gender bias. I’m not going to say something as inflammatory or, in my opinion as untrue as “girls aren’t good at math and science, they should stick to girly things like interior decorating, ec.” but I do think, for whatever reason, some fields appeal to some people more so than others and to say the only, or even prevailing reason for that is gender bias and essentially sexism, without solid foundation is undermines the argument when women truly are being discriminated against.
Everybody knows the story of the little boy who cried wolf. I wish people would keep that in mind when they cry things like “sexism!” or "gender bias!’ because the outcome will be the same. Case in point: Kanye West.
I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist, and even though I don’t know you from a person on a street, I can be sure that you and I are not representative of our respective genders in every way, but when I was in second grade, when I was in high school, and even today, if I’m told by someone that “You can’t do X” for whatever reason they give, if anything it activates a blind motivation in my brain that says “Fuck you, not only can I do that, I am going to that, and I am going to do it better than you ever could!” Both my parents and my sister are incredibly stubborn (we all refer to ourselves as “strong minded” but really we’re just stubborn SOBs) so maybe because of that I just can’t understand how something a seemingly insignificant as being ignored could dissuade someone from their career of choice. If anything, for me, it has always had the complete opposite effect.
As a funny side note, because I’m lazy as well as stubborn, when I it becomes too much work or I lose interest in showing up said aggressors, I have been known to follow up to follow up my searing bouts of motivation/revenge with bouts of saying “Fuck it!” and giving up. :)
If anything you’re essentially saying parents are to blame, not education. I don’t know about where you went to school, but my teachers didn’t get a say in if I dressed in frilly dresses and played with dolls or if I wore jeans and a T-shirt and wanted to be a football player. Hell, I wanted to play sports as a kid and my dad tried his hardest to dissuade me from playing football for worry of me getting a concussion (he played high school football and suffered a concussion).
As someone who once was a kid, and have family members who are in grade school and middle school, I trust my experiences that all but the most over-achieving kids are not worried about what field has the most job security for them in the next 10 years. Hell, most kids up until middle school just want to be, you know, kids. They’re not worried about the future at all, much less their future job prospects.
and the boys either made remarks like “You can’t help us because you’re a girl”
What, were you in the second grade at the time? Seriously, maybe I live in the Twilight Zone, but I took a fair number of computer classes in high school, and the females in the class were borderline fawned over by most of the guys. If a girl had a problem with the work, the five nearest guys to her were practically tearing each other a part to come to her aid. I’m not saying their motivations for doing so were pure or heart or that the girls actually wanted that all that attention, but certainly I don’t remember anybody expounding the equivalent of “Eewww, get your cooties away from my code, girl!”
Too true. I’m not trying to say there is absolutely no reason to ever pick the XBOne over PS4 and you are correct, no system is ‘more right’. That said, that isn’t really the question at hand. If you are a person who is on the fence and about which console to get, and here is one system that costs less and thus far is getting superior looking versions of games versus the other system, most reasonable people who were were not already convinced by the other differences to chose one way or the other, are probably going to chose the cheaper, arguably more powerful system. That’s a problem if you’re the guy making the more expensive console.
That’s why Microsoft has done smart things like sewn up Titanfall exclusivity on consoles and continued to make deals to get DLC for popular games like Battlefield and COD first. For a lot of people, that makes the choice a lot more difficult or makes XBOne the clear choice over PS4. It’s no more or less valid a thing to make your decision based on than graphical fidelity or price.
What exactly is this argument of women programmers being “looked at strangely”? People are making that sound really ominous and sinister when the answer is really just that a lot of those male programmers are socially awkward as fuck and don’t know how to function around a living breathing female. Sure, it’s weird behavior to be on the other end of, but it’s not malicious.
Anecdotal evidence is the best kind. Not to undercut your point, but one school counsellor giving out bad advice is not evidence of a systemic movement to exclude women from the gaming industry. Also, and I ask this in all honesty, who the hell ever took their high school guidance counselor’s advice seriously? If your heart is truly set on something, who the hell would let some insignificant small-minded, underachiever like a guidance counselor dissuade them from their life-long passion?
You could absolutely make the argument that game development is a white male dominated industry, as in it is an industry where white males make up the overwhelming majority of people in the field. “Male dominated” does not inherently make it a “boy’s club” however. A boy’s club indicates a conceited effort by the game development community to willfully exclude women and minorities from being hired whenever possible. I’m sure anecdotally this has happened to somewhere to someone, but a systemic effort to exclude? I just see no evidence of it. You cannot hire people that do not apply for the job.
“In many cases, students are actually blamed for their inability to slog through heaps of boring, soul-sucking material, without any thought being given to the need to actually train the skills of perseverance, grit, and self-regulation just as you’d train any other skill,”
While I don’t particularly disagree with this, how is this gender-specific? Does soul-sucking work somehow appeal to men? Are men preternaturally drawn to boring, math-heavy programming classes? I’m a white male and my entire life math courses have been the bane of my existence. I made it through calculus by the skin of my teeth in college and promptly forgot 99% of what I learned by the time I received my diploma. I love games. I’ve played them since I was about four years old, but I never really considered a career in game making because I found the actual process of making a video game tedious and boring. Probably the same reason a lot of people that love games purse a career in games journalism rather than development.
Maybe a lot of women that love games and gaming feel the same way. Not everybody that loves movies and film pursues a career in Hollywood. Some people just want to eat the steak and let someone else butcher the cow for the meat, so to speak.
The argument is made later that no encouragement is being made to make game development appealing to women other than a love of games. What added incentive is there to men? People pursue a career almost always for two reasons. It’s a field that they are passionately interested or, it’s a job to which their natural talents are useful and is where they will most likely achieve success. Obviously, there are people who will take a job, any job, just to survive but let’s assume the MIT-bound tech savvy people of either gender considering a job in game development do not have the back-up plan of working at Micky D’s.
The ironic thing is, the points made in the article about the education system being archaic and outdated are completely spot-on, and revamping how things are fundamentally taught in schools is not only needed, but would benefit society in general. If you can make education fun and engaging, more people will be more educated, simple as that. Where the article falls flat, however, is by framing this as a gender issue. It’s not. If nothing else, the one thing most cis white heterosexual males have in common with a half-black half-asian transgender female is that math, as it is currently taught, is boring as hell for both of us.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she moves into script writing for movies. I mean, unless she wants to stay in gaming. She seems to be talented enough for Hollywood.
I’m not sure how salaries are lost by firing people. If anything, 2K probably looked at it as saving money by not paying salary to a studio with essentially no direction. Not that I totally agree with it, but there are reasons that people who have proven themselves are generally put in charge. Obviously there are exceptions, but unless someone could be plugged into that position of creative lead or someone from within was being groomed for that position, it’s easy to see how 2K would a rudderless AAA studio as a risk not worth taking. In business, the bottom line is all that matters. Sad, but true.
If only they had waited a couple weeks. I hear Amy Hennig is available.
I’m not really sure where you come up with that number specifically, but a really nice car isn’t worth bupkis without the engine.
Maybe 2K could have shopped Irrational around, maybe they could have found a replacement for Ken Levine somewhere. Maybe nobody was interested in a studio without a head and finding a high level creative type of that caliber to come in and head a studio they weren’t even a part of a week ago is a nearly impossible task.
Reporting rumors and speculation as rumors and speculation is no different from spreading rumors and speculation. Just throwing that out there.
“Hey, let’s make a game that’s basically The Road meets 28 Days Later and throw in a little Children of Men for good measure!”
“Hey, the game was a hit! Let’s make it into a movie!”
Wake me when TLOU: The Movie: The Game is announced…