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When this leaked I saw a lot of people mocking Spider-woman, but I’m so in. I’m all for comic writers just taking the first insane idea that pops into their head and running with it.
Plus Old Man Logan joining an X-Men team, young X-Men taking a road trip with young Wolverine, a team with three different characters who have rocked the Marvel name and Magneto leading a team with Psylocke, Fantomex and Mystique?
Post Secret Wars is something I’m really looking forwards to.
I’d pretty much guarantee it, it likely hints at some conflict within the group but I’d definitely say he’s the leader, plus look at every other preview, so far we’ve seen nothing but the characters of each series/group with the only possible exception being Galactus.
Be a little strange for only the one series to feature an antagonist.
I don’t have time for sarcasm right now, I’m too busy wondering why they picked Falcon as the new Cap. An editor at Marvel watched that old Mel Gibson movie again, and figured nobody would notice if they ripped it off and had Steve suddenly age; fair enough… Did they retcon Falcon from being an ex-pimp to a soldier, like in Winter Soldier? Because the kid from Young Avengers seemed like a better pick, since he’s actually used a shield and all. "Meh, just make it one of Steve’s friends. Nobody remembers D-Man, so go with Falcon."
I think that was a "fan" rationale, wasn’t it? Back when people were thinking Secret Wars was going to lead to them rebooting the whole universe a la the New 52, which didn’t turn out to be the case.
I don’t think that’s an accurate description. The New 52 continuity is still in place. The old history is only "back" as an abstract. Like, it’s "out there" somewhere in case they ever want to do anything with it, but all the weekly DC comics take place in the same rebooted universe they’ve had since 2011.
And the Marvel change is far, far less substantial: it’s not a reboot at all.
Designing Spider costumes is where artists go creatively crazy in an awesome way. Morales is great, that girl covering her face with a rag is great, space Venon is great… and that Spider-Woman with a hood is fantastic. I loved them all (and I don’t have a clue about who they are).
Seems like half of the characters have been replaced by women, or grew old and some new minority character took their place. Not gonna complain, more diversity in comic story telling is great, but do they have to stuff these new characters into the identities of established heroes to do it? Why can’t we get diversity in the form of new original heroes, rather than the fifteenth Spider-whoever, etc.?
This is the comic line that had Frog Thor. Also there is a grand tradition of heroes with the same powers, or lack of powers but same name. See Batman and all his charges, many that have their own comics now. Its nothing new.
The thing with the Bat family is that Batman is still there. A lot of what I’m seeing here is new characters replacing the old ones. Cap, Spidey, Wolverine, Star Lord, Hulk(?), Thor, Hawkeye, maybe more that I don’t recognize, are all being totally replaced by new characters. Sure maybe the old versions are sticking around in a few comics, but they are no longer the main focus, other characters are taking their titles. Introducing new characters as side-kicks or part of the group like the Bat family, or even the Spider family to diversify the cast is great. It’s what I would like to see more of if they aren’t gonna introduce original heroes because they won’t sell well. But shoving under-represented minorities into the big heroes shoes seems forced to me, like they feel these characters won’t work on their own, they need the legacy of the old hero’s title to keep them relevant. I dunno… I just kinda want to see them try something other than, "its Thor, but a woman now! its Spider-Man, but he’s black now! its [insert hero], but they’re [insert demographic] now!"
Superhero mantles have always been fluid. One Green Lantern leads to the next. One Flash hands down the mantle to another. The list is seriously endless. Just the fact that people go, "Oh, it’s Spider-Man 2099," should tell you how accustomed we’ve become to it.
So if we accept that — and the evidence suggests that we should — they why would the people who step into these roles always have be white guys? Sure, sometimes they will be — Bucky, Dick Grayson, etc — but just as often, they won’t.
The Green Lantern Corps is probably the most diverse set of superheroes ever. They have a fucking Planet as a member. That’s just the nature of that particular organisation. Whoever gets a ring gets to be a Green Lantern.
The thing I see Marvel doing, is they are taking a whole bunch of their well established heroes and stuffing a minority character into the title, when it hasn’t really been something that they’ve done a ton of in the past, like DC and all of their hero families. DC has Batman and co., the Robins, the Flashes, all of the lantern corps’, Supes and his family, and on and on and on. Like you said, it’s basically endless. The biggest examples from Marvel would be the Spider family, and the Hulks. Many of Marvel’s main heroes don’t really have the same sort of lineage that DC creates with a lot of their characters. Iron Man has always been Tony, Thor has mostly just been Thor with a couple of times when he was a frog, or when Beta Ray Bill came along. Cap has almost always been Rogers, etcetera.
I’m not necessarily complaining that the roles shouldn’t be taken over by someone other than a white guy, I’m complaining that it seems to me like Marvel is doing it just because they want to force more diversity into their established names because they want more sales, rather than to create characters to represent more people more equally. I feel like they are doing it because they think they have to, or they’ll get called out on their lack of diversity (which I think they actually have plenty of if you get past the biggest heroes).
Most of the characters that are taking over the mantel were pre-existing before these lines. X 23 is the Wolverine stand in. Miles has been Spiderman in the ultimate for years. They created these characters long they decided to go down this road of putting them center stage.
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Wow, this post should be a gallery…
By docalien on 07.01.15 2:02pm
Spider Pig and some much awesome stuff. My god this all looks amazing. Road trip X men looks like a good time.
By Fkeefe4th on 07.01.15 2:06pm
Spider-Ham, sir… Spider-Ham.
By Lazy Tango on 07.01.15 3:09pm
Old Man Logan , Extraordinary X-Men, Amazing Spider Man and Deadpool for me..
By soulchilde on 07.01.15 2:11pm
Old Man Logan looks badass. Some really interesting stuff here.
By Rttu on 07.01.15 2:24pm
When this leaked I saw a lot of people mocking Spider-woman, but I’m so in. I’m all for comic writers just taking the first insane idea that pops into their head and running with it.
Plus Old Man Logan joining an X-Men team, young X-Men taking a road trip with young Wolverine, a team with three different characters who have rocked the Marvel name and Magneto leading a team with Psylocke, Fantomex and Mystique?
Post Secret Wars is something I’m really looking forwards to.
By LivingTheBlue on 07.01.15 2:29pm
Do we know Magneto is leading them? The cover makes it look as if he was facing them and about to fight each other.
By Fredendil on 07.01.15 6:24pm
I’d pretty much guarantee it, it likely hints at some conflict within the group but I’d definitely say he’s the leader, plus look at every other preview, so far we’ve seen nothing but the characters of each series/group with the only possible exception being Galactus.
Be a little strange for only the one series to feature an antagonist.
By LivingTheBlue on 07.02.15 1:46pm
I thought the point of Secret Wars was to thin the herd and make comics more approachable? There’s still like 10 versions of each character.
By ryan.durel on 07.01.15 2:31pm
But they’re making the ‘main’ versions different characters from what lapsed/casual readers know. That’ll help!
By leatherfoot on 07.01.15 2:53pm
Is that sarcasm?
By mrthewhite on 07.01.15 6:27pm
I don’t have time for sarcasm right now, I’m too busy wondering why they picked Falcon as the new Cap. An editor at Marvel watched that old Mel Gibson movie again, and figured nobody would notice if they ripped it off and had Steve suddenly age; fair enough… Did they retcon Falcon from being an ex-pimp to a soldier, like in Winter Soldier? Because the kid from Young Avengers seemed like a better pick, since he’s actually used a shield and all. "Meh, just make it one of Steve’s friends. Nobody remembers D-Man, so go with Falcon."
By leatherfoot on 07.01.15 7:00pm
I think that was a "fan" rationale, wasn’t it? Back when people were thinking Secret Wars was going to lead to them rebooting the whole universe a la the New 52, which didn’t turn out to be the case.
By Full_of_Spiders on 07.01.15 3:31pm
This seems like its worse than new 52 given DCs reasoning for ending new 52.
By mrthewhite on 07.01.15 6:28pm
I dunno: DC isn’t really "ending" the New 52; it’s just taking off the branding (which makes sense, given it’s not that "new" four years in).
By Full_of_Spiders on 07.01.15 11:36pm
They retconned it to removed the fact that it was a reboot and re-established the old history that fans had such an issue with them dropping.
This seems like even more of an exaggerated change so I expect it to go over even worse than New 52 did.
By mrthewhite on 07.02.15 8:10am
I don’t think that’s an accurate description. The New 52 continuity is still in place. The old history is only "back" as an abstract. Like, it’s "out there" somewhere in case they ever want to do anything with it, but all the weekly DC comics take place in the same rebooted universe they’ve had since 2011.
And the Marvel change is far, far less substantial: it’s not a reboot at all.
By Full_of_Spiders on 07.03.15 12:21pm
Designing Spider costumes is where artists go creatively crazy in an awesome way. Morales is great, that girl covering her face with a rag is great, space Venon is great… and that Spider-Woman with a hood is fantastic. I loved them all (and I don’t have a clue about who they are).
By Decuerrola on 07.01.15 2:32pm
Silk (rag face!)
Spider-Woman/Gwen (hooded Spider-Woman)
and
2099 Spider-Man…now with more white?
By IzzyIzumi on 07.01.15 3:07pm
Seems like half of the characters have been replaced by women, or grew old and some new minority character took their place. Not gonna complain, more diversity in comic story telling is great, but do they have to stuff these new characters into the identities of established heroes to do it? Why can’t we get diversity in the form of new original heroes, rather than the fifteenth Spider-whoever, etc.?
By B19F00T on 07.01.15 2:34pm
This is the comic line that had Frog Thor. Also there is a grand tradition of heroes with the same powers, or lack of powers but same name. See Batman and all his charges, many that have their own comics now. Its nothing new.
By Fkeefe4th on 07.01.15 2:37pm
The thing with the Bat family is that Batman is still there. A lot of what I’m seeing here is new characters replacing the old ones. Cap, Spidey, Wolverine, Star Lord, Hulk(?), Thor, Hawkeye, maybe more that I don’t recognize, are all being totally replaced by new characters. Sure maybe the old versions are sticking around in a few comics, but they are no longer the main focus, other characters are taking their titles. Introducing new characters as side-kicks or part of the group like the Bat family, or even the Spider family to diversify the cast is great. It’s what I would like to see more of if they aren’t gonna introduce original heroes because they won’t sell well. But shoving under-represented minorities into the big heroes shoes seems forced to me, like they feel these characters won’t work on their own, they need the legacy of the old hero’s title to keep them relevant. I dunno… I just kinda want to see them try something other than, "its Thor, but a woman now! its Spider-Man, but he’s black now! its [insert hero], but they’re [insert demographic] now!"
By B19F00T on 07.01.15 3:11pm
Superhero mantles have always been fluid. One Green Lantern leads to the next. One Flash hands down the mantle to another. The list is seriously endless. Just the fact that people go, "Oh, it’s Spider-Man 2099," should tell you how accustomed we’ve become to it.
So if we accept that — and the evidence suggests that we should — they why would the people who step into these roles always have be white guys? Sure, sometimes they will be — Bucky, Dick Grayson, etc — but just as often, they won’t.
By Full_of_Spiders on 07.01.15 3:36pm
The Green Lantern Corps is probably the most diverse set of superheroes ever. They have a fucking Planet as a member. That’s just the nature of that particular organisation. Whoever gets a ring gets to be a Green Lantern.
The thing I see Marvel doing, is they are taking a whole bunch of their well established heroes and stuffing a minority character into the title, when it hasn’t really been something that they’ve done a ton of in the past, like DC and all of their hero families. DC has Batman and co., the Robins, the Flashes, all of the lantern corps’, Supes and his family, and on and on and on. Like you said, it’s basically endless. The biggest examples from Marvel would be the Spider family, and the Hulks. Many of Marvel’s main heroes don’t really have the same sort of lineage that DC creates with a lot of their characters. Iron Man has always been Tony, Thor has mostly just been Thor with a couple of times when he was a frog, or when Beta Ray Bill came along. Cap has almost always been Rogers, etcetera.
I’m not necessarily complaining that the roles shouldn’t be taken over by someone other than a white guy, I’m complaining that it seems to me like Marvel is doing it just because they want to force more diversity into their established names because they want more sales, rather than to create characters to represent more people more equally. I feel like they are doing it because they think they have to, or they’ll get called out on their lack of diversity (which I think they actually have plenty of if you get past the biggest heroes).
By B19F00T on 07.01.15 3:55pm
Most of the characters that are taking over the mantel were pre-existing before these lines. X 23 is the Wolverine stand in. Miles has been Spiderman in the ultimate for years. They created these characters long they decided to go down this road of putting them center stage.
By Fkeefe4th on 07.01.15 4:26pm